Interview with Grandfather, Part Two
Channelers note: The material on this page is a
continuation of both the Interview
with Grandfather and the Interview with God. Two
other pages that would also be good to read before
this page are A Letter to
Those Doing the Healing Work, and A Letter to the Parents of
Creation.
Grandfather, some readers have asked questions you
may be able to answer. For instance, can you give us
more information about this period of massive
changes we are in after December 2012 when the Mayan
calendar ends?
"This is Original Spirit... and it
is timely to discuss these things and the general
phenomena associated with what in your terms is
called 'the end of time.' Also, since you are
asking about events which transcend your present
sense of time, some more clarity about the true
nature of reality will be helpful.
"First it is important to note what
the Spirit of your Creation has already said
regarding the true nature of 'reality.' Your
perception of manifestation is necessarily a
wholly subjective experience. You can experience
only what your perceptions, both inner and outer,
bring to your awareness. The popular myth that
there is an objective 'world' that is common to
everyone and that can be known and understood has
caused a great deal of confusion and suffering
along the journey of Humanity in this Creation.
"At a deep transpersonal layer of
your Being, you are creating the world
you perceive. It's as if you are producing,
directing and writing your own movie, your own
unique and ultimately subjective 'take' on
reality. And since the true nature of reality is
fully subjective, each living Human will
experience the shattering experiences at the end
of time differently, and ironically at different
'times.'
"The events predicted for 2012 by
the ancient Maya are not substantially different
than those predicted by Christian, Muslim, Jewish,
Hindu, Buddhist and other sages and seers for 'the
end of time.' The Maya are only one of many
indigenous cultures that have spoken of their
deeply held vision for the events near and
immediately after the end of time.
"All of these prophecies point to a
relatively sudden awakening into much greater
awareness for some or all of Humanity. What has
been well hidden within the folds of your present
four dimensional world will be clearly revealed by
the additional Light available in the unfolding of
the new, five dimensional world. In other words,
there will no longer be places in manifestation
where denial can hide. What has been hidden away
since before linear time began will be revealed
and clearly visible for all who have 'eyes to
see.'
"One of the first experiences you
will have as you emerge from the vortex of intense
energy in the passage between your enfolded four
dimensional world and the newly unfolding five
dimensional world will be the realization that you
were right about everything you believed and had
faith in. And very likely your next experience
will be the realization that everyone else has
been right as well.
"The Mother of your Creation has
had a Dream for this Creation since before it
began. The
Mother's Dream is that all sentient beings
live in peace with complete freedom... free of
denial in any form and steeped in deep and abiding
love, joy, passion and excitement in a safe and
harmonious venue of exquisite beauty and wonder.
Thank you Grandfather. Would you
please say more about how those who have not
believed or had faith as we have will also be right
about what they have believed and held to be true?
"This may at first seem impossible
to the conditioned mind with its habits of
analysis, evaluation, comparison and judgment
based on concepts of right doing and wrongdoing,
good and evil, and all other expressions of
duality. Your new life in the fifth dimension
depends upon a new kind of presence and a mind
with a new kind of attention.
"There has been ancient
conditioning of Spirit that has also been
very present in human consciousness that
instinctively draws your attention to conscious
thought... and away from sentient feeling. Without
awareness of the issue and your own conscious use
of attention, this imprint in consciousness will
not allow you to stay present within a reality
your mind cannot understand.
"For instance, notice how often the
mind automatically moves you away from continuing
to directly experience energy or feelings in
Body... and into thinking about the experience as
if telling yourself the story about it is more
important than actually feeling it. The new kind
of attention can be practiced anytime you choose
to give a feeling your fully loving conscious
presence and choosing to honor the feeling by
expressing what it wants to express.
"In order to experience the
realization that everyone has been right to be as
they've been and to have believed as they have,
you will have developed the capacity to stay
present with intense emotional and energetic
experiences without any denial. This means with no
comparison, analysis or thought other than
complete loving acceptance of what you're
experiencing.
"With this new ability, your mind
becomes a channel of fully loving Divine presence
empowering the Mother's Will to freely move in
you, just as she desires. Cultivating and
nurturing this kind of attention is key to opening
the passage to the fifth dimension.
"Since the Mother's Dream and its
unfolding is inscribed in the Universal Will at
the deepest layers of Being, it is here now inside
of you and everyone else, waiting to unfold. The
key is having enough loving presence to allow all
of the energy and emotion in and around the portal
to the fifth dimension to move freely in you.
"Since this kind of complete and
total freedom is simply not available in your
present manifestation of only four dimensions, the
Mother is desiring that everyone in the present
paradigm somehow find deliverance
from its pain and limitations and join with
her and loving Spirit in the full realization of
her Dream.
"The Mother's Dream, however, is
not for only a select few, or for beings only of
this Creation. She and my Will, Original Will,
First Mother are united in this Dream of Free Will
for all beings in all Creations. Divinity will not
let anyone down, everyone's faith and
steadfastness will be rewarded. This means that if
there is a prophecy with any adherents at all who
have faith in that prophecy, it will be fulfilled
for them in their venues.
"The winter solstice in 2012 is an
approximate beginning date in linear time for a
massive planetary event that will provide enough
energy to transport most Humans to the next
paradigm in a relatively short duration of linear
time. And along the way though linear time from
here to there, many 'end times' prophecies will be
played out in individual venues and on the world
stage.
"For instance, the Christian
prophecies of the Apocalypse and Armageddon are
already beginning to be fulfilled for those who
believe in them. Many will see worsening political
and economic strife on the world stage as a
cleansing process leading to the return of the
Christ to gather his flock. And many will
experience ascending into the new paradigm of
Heaven in renewed and less physical bodies as they
participate in the predicted 'rapture' where they
are drawn into heavenly bliss to live forever with
the God they've believed in.
"Others will experience the same
disturbing and catastrophic events on the world
stage and in their individual venues as harbingers
of the extraterrestrials
who say they have come to save Humanity and
bring you 'home' with them. And in the newly
expanded universe of five dimensions this will
happen quite easily for them. Those who have
believed for any reason that they will be lifted
out of their 'imprisonment' here on Earth will
experience just that.
"However, a much smaller group
of Humans who do not call Heaven or the
Stars their home will remain here on Earth as they
endure the unimaginably intense energy of the
transition while remaining present in their dense
physical bodies. When the dust has settled, they
will find themselves on a new Earth and in new
bodies capable of manifesting and moving
physically in five dimensions. These Humans will
be the first in this Creation to experience form
change in place of death."
The Fifth Dimension
Channelers: Thank you, Grandfather.
You mention the opening of another, fifth dimension.
What more can you tell us about that?
"As I have said
earlier, the Creation within which you now
reside is the last or most recent of seven local
universes. Your Creation is where the most dense
and restricted experiences of manifestation can
unfold. The six Creations before you are
progressively less dense and restricted. For
instance, form change and other extraordinary
feats of magic for you presently have been more or
less ordinary experiences for many
creature-spirits in the Creation just prior to
your present experience of manifestation in this
more dense and time-restricted Creation.
"Understanding the manifesting
power of the 'fifth dimension' is the key to
understanding how form change and other magic
beyond your present imagination can easily happen
for you when time as you've known it ends. Simply
stated, there are more dimensions available in
manifestation beyond the three spatial and single
temporal dimension that have been available within
the very limited matrix of your agreed-upon
'objective reality.'
"This very dense and limited
reality has made Creation feel like a prison or
reform school for spirits who had chosen to merge
with evolutionary creatures in manifestation.
Human Beings are a mixture of the two primary
essences of manifestation, Spirit and Mother or
'matter,' as is all form. And all spirits who have
come to Earth in human form have been restricted
to only four dimensions of space-time.
"Some came here to escape unloving Spirit, some
came to explore and enjoy, and others, like the
spirits within most readers of this material, came
here to help. Regardless of their initial
motivation, all spirits felt the deep terror of
merging with dense manifestation, got caught up in
their own karma of denial of that intensity and
became trapped here.
"The various religions and
spiritual paths of Humanity have sought to help
disentangle spirits from form and help them get
free of manifestation so they may once again
return to their 'home' in the Heavens and achieve
the oneness of Spirit they left behind and have
sorely missed ever since coming here. These
teachings have not been wrong, and yet they have
missed the point of why spirits migrated to Earth
in the first place.
"The truth of why spirits are here
and having the experiences they have been having
is as I've already explained in sharing my
memories of Original
Heart. There are very good reasons for
things to have gone the way they have in the seven
manifested Creations, including the very difficult
pain and trauma of entrapped spirits in Human and
other forms.
"One way of understanding why it's
been so difficult for Spirits on Earth to work out
their karma is that there has been very little
real space here. Your reality has been folded back
on itself. Imagine a cube made of paper that has
been folded in such a way that it is now flat.
That flatness represents the four dimensions of
manifestation that you are presently occupying.
"Now imagine the paper unfolding
and resuming its proper shape as a cube. While
only one extra dimension was necessary for this
transformation to happen, the additional
possibilities that are now available for the cube
are nearly endless.
"The new dimension that will open
when time as you have known it ends... is a second
dimension of time. The three familiar spatial
dimensions will remain along with the seemingly
linear dimension of time. In addition to the human
mind's sense of past, present and future, another
dimension of time becomes available that is
perpendicular to your accustomed linear time, and
not accessible by the mind as you've known it.
Please read what Body
and I have already said about this for more
details and understandings about the fifth
dimension.
"The profound and completely
unprecedented experience of the 'end of time' will
come to each Human when you have become truly
whole, when you have reclaimed all
of your lost Will and redeemed all of your lost
Spirit. And it is not Spirit, it is the
Divine Will, the Mother and Grandmother, the
Universal Feminine within you whose deep movement
of Universal Will opens the next dimension for
your complete and whole Being to unfold in
timeless, eternal presence."
Your Magical Body
Thank you, Grandfather. What can you
say about the individual experience of one's
physical body opening into five dimensions?
"You now have a temporal or
'mortal' body which is subject to 'accidents,'
death, illness, etc. Death has been a necessary
part of your enfolded and very limited four
dimensional space-time venue. And yet deep within
you, deep within Body has been a vague, distant
knowing that things could be very different.
"Children are much more in touch
with this knowing because like all of the Mother's
wisdom, knowledge of these all but forgotten
realms can be accessed only through feeling.
Children at play often touch the magic that was
available in the less dense
Creations that have preceded this one.
Memories of magical beings like fairies and elves
and magical creatures like unicorns, and satyrs
still flourish in humans beneath the surface of
your conscious awareness.
"The opening of the next dimension
opens the opportunity for true magic to prevail on
Earth very much like what was commonplace in your
ancient inklings of magical lands with magical
creatures and beings. Your parental and loving
acceptance of self and others will lead you
naturally to true magic, the ability to manifest
whatever you desire, change form and remain
present in manifestation without need of death and rebirth.
"For this to happen, to survive
this transition in dense physical form as you are
now, in this most dense of all Creations, you will
endure an intensity of energy and chaos well
beyond anything you can presently imagine. Spirit
has spoken of this and other related topics in his
letter to those doing the
healing work.
"The way physical bodies manifest
in four dimensions is very different than the way
they manifest in five dimensions, and the
transition from the old to the new will be
unprecedentedly intense in your experience,
especially for the first few humans. It will feel
as if all the terror that's ever been denied in
Creation has suddenly become alive and moving in
you and your physical body. And yet, instead of
your spirit instinctively escaping all of this
intensity, you will remain present and whole with
it. You will stay awake and alive through it until
you own it all.
"Then, firmly planted in a newly
unfolded space-time reality of five dimensions,
you as a sentient Will creature and conscious
Spirit in union will determine the shape and
texture of the eternal moment as it unfolds in and
around you. If new conditions are desired, new
conditions appear.
"The 'laws' of nature that seemed
so fixed and determinant in four dimensions are
still available when experiences like that are
desired. However, that limited reality will no
longer be necessary for you and your new body, now
at home in the complete freedom of five
dimensional space-time.
"The Mother's Dream includes of
course Original Heart's
desire that your experience of wholeness of
Being be not only yours alone. It speaks not only
of your own wholeness and complete freedom, it
includes the same for others like yourself. It
includes your peers, completely whole and fully
realized Human Beings who have also loved and
healed themselves so fully... that like you, they
are now manifesting in an eternal magical Body as
you relate together on a completely
new Earth."
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